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Never forget: most of us have been poisoned by a toxic educational system that teaches us systematically that failing at a task or not knowing a correct answer is shameful.

There is no inherent shame in failure, in not knowing, or in being wrong, and we shouldn't actively shame others for it.

Get back up, learn something new, and try again.

@noelle i'm going to limit my reply to a very loud MODERN EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS ARE ****SHIT**** and leave it there

@noelle That's how I was with math, and so avoided math for years before teaching myself how to program in Ruby.

Today, this same "60% for failure" carries over into learning a language like French, despite the application mispelling certain words itself.

It took cross-checking information to realize Te is equivalent to the word To in English.

But Tu, is a pronoun of informal you.

@noelle
I would agree with you, but here in Sweden it´s gotten nearly the other way around. It seems like people are proud of not knowing anything.

@noelle if I had to pick one thing, as a middle-aged lady, that took me too long to unlearn, that I want to tell all the young people asap:

you don't have to be good at stuff to be loved!

in fact you can suck at everything and be loved! people who are bad at things are fun and lovely!

you can be terrible at every single job, skill and hobby and still have love, friends, respect, community, happiness, freedom, a life worth living!
it's about thinking of others, not about skill points!

@noelle @ramonita former “gifted kid” moment

It’s really frustrating, I have horrible follow through on stuff because I get discouraged if it’s not immediately easy.

@noelle is it weird that the way I finally internalized that it was okay not to know things was by getting into the tech industry

@WizardOfDocs @noelle I don‘t think so.

Nobody knows everything and we’re all constantly looking up the most basic syntax because it’s just too much to remember.

The main way to learn in tech is to mess up and break stuff in interesting ways

@WizardOfDocs @noelle Not weird to me. No one can know everything in tech, it's such an insurmountable pill of stuff to know, it's kinda obvious (well, eventually it is). You have to know what you know, and enjoy learning more, and not break yourself on the mountain.

@mechkit @noelle for me it was weird because I encountered so much Massive Tech Ego online before that. I was convinced it would be even worse than the humanities for needing to Know Things--and in the humanities I was good at it!

@WizardOfDocs @noelle There is a high level of needing to seem to know everything, for weird HR requirements, interviews, client communication, general compensation (probably mostly male driven). So I see your point completely. I guess I was talking about the realities of the situation, and how things ideally should be among developers. You can see the truth in the memes. Searching stack-overflow for basic stuff is not really a joke.

@noelle It took me until a couple of years ago to realize that when exercising, if I fail to complete a set or do something perfectly, that's a good thing, because it means I'm challenged. If I could do a full set 100% perfectly then I should be turning up the intensity.

Education system 

@noelle Just last week I finally sat down and learned what modulo is because I wanted to figure out how RSA works.

Not because I had to but because I felt like it.

I never hated math, I just hated math class

Education system 

@dysphoricunicorn @noelle I went to university for engineering, worked in mechanical engineering for awhile, and now am a mid-level programmer. I think I "learn" how modulo works again at least once a year.

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