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I can't remember who pointed this out, but refusing to do business with during the workers' strike actually kind of undercuts the workers' position. They timed the strike for the busiest days of the summer on purpose; they *want* Amazon to see that fulfillment is more difficult without them there. (And if you're just delaying your purchases until Weds., instead of buying from another vendor, you're making the workers' lives *harder* when the strike ends and they have to ship your stuff!)

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Okay, updates.

A) None of the striking workers appear to have called on consumers to boycott Amazon during the strike.* So proceed in the way you believe best supports the striking workers.

B) sunglasses

C) The strike, currently, involves workers nationwide in Germany** and in Shakopee, MN, USA***. Other US Amazon workers do not appear to be striking.

D) The US strike is focused on free one-day shipping*, so--

* theverge.com/2019/7/14/2069218
** reuters.com/article/us-amazon-
*** lifehacker.com/how-to-support-

-- if you DO shop at Amazon during the 15th and 16th, consider not choosing that option.

Also, whoops, that citation in D) should go to the Lifehacker article, not the Verge article.

@noelle I was hoping the idea was to let people work at remembering that once there was life w/o Amazon and it was, in fact, livable. So that maybe by the time the strike was over, we would have already lined up alternative ways to get our stuff (or manage w/o it, so long as it's not lifesaving meds or the like).

@noelle

It's sticky, though, b/c the Post Office now has Amazon in its guts, parasite-style. Also some smaller vendors still use their fulfillment centers. I noticed this after I dumped my acct. & still wanted small things (replaceable toothbrush heads) that even the chi-chi grocers around here no longer sell.

@xenophora @noelle i think this would be a longer strike if that was the case.

as far as i can tell both the Workers and Awood Center (a non-profit dedicated to advancing and informing East African Immigrant worker rights) are working to improve on their own staff's well being. Thats not to say they're greedy, that they do not appreciate shows of solidarity, nor have sympathy for other amazon workplaces/strikes; just that their
particular scope is local. The engadget article below is a decent timeline of events, including their struggle last year as Prime Day and Ramadan intersect and the majority of workers at this particular prime facilitate are West African Muslim Americans.

https://www.engadget.com/2019/07/15/amazon-prime-day-strike/?guccounter=1

There are also organized protests in europes mostly spurred by actual unions who both want to show solidarity but also were probably planning on protesting anyways since you know, they doubled the length of prime day while promising free 1 day shipping. These groups seem largely more coordinated and organized with one another.

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-workers-across-europe-and-us-protest-prime-day-2019-7

Its a bit harder than just saying "don't shop at amazon" or "do shop at amazon" because a lot of these groups will have differing requests/ideas on what you should be doing. I'm not against "buy things so amazon can't fulfill their promises" but i'm not actually sure how that will hurt amazon either. I'm personally just not going to engage with Amazon services for the 2 days.

Sorry I can't give you an answer on what you should do, follow your best judgment. I just wanted to find how the workers wanted to me to engage instead of relying on internet leftists to tell me what I need to do, and I found a whole lot of nothing.

@noelle What do the actual striking workers want us to do?

@LogicalDash That's the question I'm trying to answer, and I'm not actually having much luck finding out. :/

@noelle yeah I’ve been hearing points like how boycotting a product only hurts the workers because the bosses get paid regardless, and buying things under capitalism isn’t inherently unethical because they could have been made without capitalism. I’m still not really sure what to think, other than knowing that boycotts have been historically bad at advancing workers’ rights

@noelle
One thing I don't understand about stuff like this: would it pressure Amazon more if they were overwhelmed with one-day shipping orders with nobody to fulfill them?

I life in a right-to-work state, so I know nothing about unions and organized labor in general.

@noelle

Oh, I think I just figured out the problem with that: Amazon's happy to let things ship out late if you don't complain, so they wouldn't be bothered by it at all.

@noelle See this is what I like, listening to the workers and not trying to split off and make up some demands that can be used to police people on β€˜how pious are you’ later

@noelle May I have permission to link to this toot on the Birdsite?

@noelle oh, nice, by mistake we've paid for one year of prime and yesterday I've cancelled it finally.

@noelle I didn't know that Germany was involved.

Now I wonder if I should buy something or not.

Actually haven't visited the site in so long, that they stopped sending me "newsletters" (aka unsolicited advertisement) and don't have something to buy there anyway.

@noelle ...well shit, i didn't think about it that way

i don't know if i even want anything from amazon during prime day though

@noelle This is a very good point. It kinda forces the dam to burst, so to speak. It's definitely harder on the workers who aren't striking, but sometimes, you gotta give people an extra nudge to start taking actions of their own.

@noelle I am having a hard time finding a statement from the workers themselves that isn't condensed on news sites. Do they have a public venue where we can see what they would like for us to help them?

@sashakovich I haven't found any direct statements from the workers. As I mention later in the thread, the Verge has spoken to them: "There’s no official guidance on how shoppers should support the strike, and many of the striking workers who talked to The Verge were ambivalent on the question."

@noelle Whelp
The first stage to organizing is deciding you're going to organize, I guess. And that's a helluva first step.

@noelle @sashakovich https://m.facebook.com/events/2084548085172315/ this is the furthest I got. I don't have a Facebook so I did not actually ask how they would prefer us to show solidarity.
@noelle @sashakovich I'll post my research in a moment but it was basically a bunch of name googling in articles to finding a non profit that helps African workers in Minnesota know their rights and who helped organize this amazon strike.

@noelle The point of every strike is to *force* management to give in to your demands. Capitalists don't "see the light" and understand that their workers are actually important and deserve human rights. The only language they speak is force, so not crossing the picket line is always good praxis

@socalledunitedstates The best praxis is actually listening to the workers instead of taking it on faith that they agree with your dogma.

@noelle All you've posted is "I haven't seen anyone say they want a boycott," so don't pretend you're listening to anyone any more than I am

A boycott is an implicit part of the strike process. This is like saying "yes they say they're going on strike, but I haven't seen anyone explicitly say they're not going to work"

@noelle If any of the organizers wanted people to cross the picket line, they probably would've seen all the calls for boycotts and spoken up. The fact that you're having so much trouble finding that speaks volumes

You're muddying the waters with a baseless assumption. Boycotts are assumed with strikes, they're an act of solidarity, the burden is on you to show that this is an exception

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