I can't remember who pointed this out, but refusing to do business with #Amazon during the workers' strike actually kind of undercuts the workers' position. They timed the strike for the busiest days of the summer on purpose; they *want* Amazon to see that fulfillment is more difficult without them there. (And if you're just delaying your purchases until Weds., instead of buying from another vendor, you're making the workers' lives *harder* when the strike ends and they have to ship your stuff!)
A) None of the striking workers appear to have called on consumers to boycott Amazon during the strike.* So proceed in the way you believe best supports the striking workers.
C) The strike, currently, involves workers nationwide in Germany** and in Shakopee, MN, USA***. Other US Amazon workers do not appear to be striking.
D) The US strike is focused on free one-day shipping*, so--
@noelle I was hoping the idea was to let people work at remembering that once there was life w/o Amazon and it was, in fact, livable. So that maybe by the time the strike was over, we would have already lined up alternative ways to get our stuff (or manage w/o it, so long as it's not lifesaving meds or the like).
It's sticky, though, b/c the Post Office now has Amazon in its guts, parasite-style. Also some smaller vendors still use their fulfillment centers. I noticed this after I dumped my acct. & still wanted small things (replaceable toothbrush heads) that even the chi-chi grocers around here no longer sell.
@noelle What do the actual striking workers want us to do?
@LogicalDash That's the question I'm trying to answer, and I'm not actually having much luck finding out. :/
@noelle new strategy: buy from Amazon ONLY on Prime Day
@noelle yeah I’ve been hearing points like how boycotting a product only hurts the workers because the bosses get paid regardless, and buying things under capitalism isn’t inherently unethical because they could have been made without capitalism. I’m still not really sure what to think, other than knowing that boycotts have been historically bad at advancing workers’ rights
@noelle 💖 thanks for distilling this
One thing I don't understand about stuff like this: would it pressure Amazon more if they were overwhelmed with one-day shipping orders with nobody to fulfill them?
I life in a right-to-work state, so I know nothing about unions and organized labor in general.
Oh, I think I just figured out the problem with that: Amazon's happy to let things ship out late if you don't complain, so they wouldn't be bothered by it at all.
@noelle See this is what I like, listening to the workers and not trying to split off and make up some demands that can be used to police people on ‘how pious are you’ later
@noelle May I have permission to link to this toot on the Birdsite?
@Stephen_Stone Go for it.
@noelle oh, nice, by mistake we've paid for one year of prime and yesterday I've cancelled it finally.
@noelle I didn't know that Germany was involved.
Now I wonder if I should buy something or not.
Actually haven't visited the site in so long, that they stopped sending me "newsletters" (aka unsolicited advertisement) and don't have something to buy there anyway.
@noelle This is a very good point. It kinda forces the dam to burst, so to speak. It's definitely harder on the workers who aren't striking, but sometimes, you gotta give people an extra nudge to start taking actions of their own.
@noelle I am having a hard time finding a statement from the workers themselves that isn't condensed on news sites. Do they have a public venue where we can see what they would like for us to help them?
@sashakovich I haven't found any direct statements from the workers. As I mention later in the thread, the Verge has spoken to them: "There’s no official guidance on how shoppers should support the strike, and many of the striking workers who talked to The Verge were ambivalent on the question."
The first stage to organizing is deciding you're going to organize, I guess. And that's a helluva first step.
@noelle The point of every strike is to *force* management to give in to your demands. Capitalists don't "see the light" and understand that their workers are actually important and deserve human rights. The only language they speak is force, so not crossing the picket line is always good praxis
@socalledunitedstates The best praxis is actually listening to the workers instead of taking it on faith that they agree with your dogma.
@noelle All you've posted is "I haven't seen anyone say they want a boycott," so don't pretend you're listening to anyone any more than I am
A boycott is an implicit part of the strike process. This is like saying "yes they say they're going on strike, but I haven't seen anyone explicitly say they're not going to work"
@noelle If any of the organizers wanted people to cross the picket line, they probably would've seen all the calls for boycotts and spoken up. The fact that you're having so much trouble finding that speaks volumes
You're muddying the waters with a baseless assumption. Boycotts are assumed with strikes, they're an act of solidarity, the burden is on you to show that this is an exception
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