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Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

It's time to stop using Fedilab folks. The dev of that app just announced that he will not be blocking Gab. This is despite overwhelming support for the block from users and devs in a poll that hasn't even completed yet.

I attempted to have a conversation with him yesterday because he gave the appearance of good faith, but he's made it clear that he's fine with Nazis and White Supremacists as long as it doesn't affect him. Receipts will be attached over several toots.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

To any users looking for image descriptions, I deeply apologize but it's just not feasible for me to do that today. I was hoping that the OCR bot would grab it but it looks like it's being a bit picky.

If anyone wants to do image descriptions (i.e. transcribe) these for me that'd be awesome. Otherwise I'm really am sorry again :(.

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Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm also, my whole conversation right now with them

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@sandrockcstm
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"you'll let us know who you are."

This is ridiculous.

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this is because Tusky just de-
platformed Gab from its app.

I'm done retreading the same
argument over and over. Either
you'll oppose the Nazis on Gab
or you won't. When you make
that decision you'll let us know
who you are, and you won't be
able to claim ignorance on the
matter.

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"you'll let us know who you are."

This is ridiculous.

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€ Toot

& Fedilab
@​[email protected]​framapiaf.org

I will stop here with #Gab by
removing the block feature inside
the app in the next release.

My motivations:

- I didn't receive a reply from
Google policy team about a
potential ban of the application.
- Without the previous risk, I
clearly think that's not my role. I
can't hard-code instance blocks
especially when every tools are
here for that.

- If you want a strong block, it's
in the hands of social network
developers or your admins.

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& Fedilab
@​[email protected]​framapiaf.org

More clearer poll to followers only.

Should I block Gab instance?

68% yes
32% no

65 votes = 1 day left
& Jun 18, 2019 2:05 PM

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Fedilab @​[email protected]​framap...26m

OK. I am going to remove this
block. But of course, if I receive
a response from Google Play
about a potential ban, I will put it
back.

SA. AS

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm Criminy! No matter what their position or opinion, the way they've responded really paints a picture!

"Please don't call stopping comments about decaptitating babies 'censorship'."

"But censorshiiiiiip."

They say you're being ridiculous, but I think they just made themselves look bad by the end.

@sandrockcstm
This is highly disappointing. Fedilab just made a post last week or so that Gab wouldn't be accessible through the app. There was a whole new binary and everything. I don't understand why they're going back on that now... Oh well, time to get another app.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm While this decision is absolutely awful... why the "stop using fedilab" conclusion? Does that impact the dev negatively? Are they making money off of it?

I mean, I get that it's important to not support nazi supporters, I just don't know if this does that.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@heeks

It does a couple of things.

1) It gives them a tangible slap that we don't tolerate Nazi enablers.

2) The nosedive in a userbase prevents them from monetizing effectively (or at all) by going to a venture capitalist and saying "I have 100k users of my app" or whatever.

3) It shields people who are vulnerable from Nazis by moving them away from a vulnerable avenue.

We unfortunately can't do much other than raise awareness and stop using the product.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm I see, that makes sense!

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm
What's a good alternative for Android?
@heeks

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm
Perfect! Thank you. About to be one less fedilab user.
@heeks

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm ill do it, ill send you the text so you can reply to it?

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@FirstProgenitor Thank you!!! That's a huge help :).

If you'd like, you're welcome to just directly reply to each set of images and CW it "Image descriptions" or something like that.

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm i was thinking of doing that but i felt like it'd get buried under all the comments already made? or should i just do it anyway

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@FirstProgenitor At this point it's become a monster of a thread, so I think readability is gonna be a bit broken o_o. At least this way users can ctrl+f for it and also can stop scrolling when their screen-reader says "image descriptions."

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm i posted the whole thread under the first post. i almost hit my 5k character limit lol

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@FirstProgenitor Oh wow, thanks again for doing that for me!!

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm Thanks for sharing. Do you know of any good Android app alternatives to fedilab?

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@fraggle I really like Tusky! They've taken the polar-opposite stance and have actively blocked Gab :).

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm Thanks! Will install it now and rate 5 stars

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm Dammit and I just started using Fedilab.

Welp! I guess I'm looking for a new Masto app!

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm "It's not the role of a dev to act like this if the app has no risks to to be banned."

Umm....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer

Fedilab's off my radar and into my threat model now.

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@drwho Exactly this. I was honestly shocked at the stance he took. And that he was so transparent about his lack of ethics.

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm If nothing else, it's nice that he no longer feels he has to act like he does. It's always useful to know exactly who and what you're dealing with.

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@drwho @sandrockcstm

Small mercies are mercies still, and all that. 😔

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sydneyfalk @sandrockcstm Any port in a storm.

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@drwho @sandrockcstm @sydneyfalk i sympathize extremely with the “(government|play store|payment processor) policies will force us to block switter if the blocking functionality exists” argument.

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@riking @sydneyfalk @sandrockcstm I had not considered that. That's an excellent point.

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@drwho @riking @sandrockcstm

I sympathize like hell but I also don't want endless nazi porn, so I don't know what else to suggest. Maybe if app devs draw the line at hate speech Google might actually manufacture a spine if the FOSTA crowd show up, I want to think.

But, hell, I don't know.

I miss what I used to think the fed was, I think.

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sydneyfalk @riking @sandrockcstm Groups of people always bring their problems with them. This seems to be one of the ones that crept in the back door.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling, Invidious 

@sandrockcstm very disappointing, even worrying.

FYI, similar situation happening with youtube replacement #invidious recently:

github.com/omarroth/invidious/

its maintainer seems OK with providing support for alt-right social tools Gab and Dissenter

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling, Invidious 

@gatewave @sandrockcstm One thing to remember is that if the nazis succeed with their current strategy of cooption then the fediverse will be labeled by politicians as "a terrorist network" and its future will be in doubt - regardless of whatever technical capabilities it has. So the battle over whether certain instances are blocked or not is more important than most people think.

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling, Invidious 

@bob

given the presence of pawoo & switter that ship has sailed

@gatewave @sandrockcstm

re: Nazi enabling, Invidious 

@gatewave @sandrockcstm I'm cloudrac3r in that thread.

I have my own front-end for YouTube, powered by a self-hosted copy of Invidious's API, which fills exactly the same purpose as Invidious. It's called CloudTube, and you can find it here: https://cadence.moe/cloudtube/subscriptions

Feel free to use this as an alternative now that Invidious's creator has made his stance on nazis clear.

re: Nazi enabling, Invidious 

@gatewave @sandrockcstm also a bit ironic that the thread about free speech was locked because he didn't like people saying "hey maybe you shouldn't do this"

re: Nazi enabling, Invidious 

@cadence @sandrockcstm thanks for being such a well-spoken advocate in that thread. not easy.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling, Invidious 

@gatewave @sandrockcstm wtf this makes my blood boil. Thanks for sharing.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm Welp, off to Tusky it is, then.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@KitsuneAlicia I've used tusky since I came to fedi. I can't compare because I (luckily, in hindsight) never tried fedilab, but it's done me well all this time!

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@Lexi @KitsuneAlicia I love Tusky. On the web I use Pinafore.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@Lexi I had issues with Tusky in the past, and Fedilab was more stable & feature-rich at the time, but I'd imagine a lot of the issues have been fixed by now, so it should be okay, I hope.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm but wait, Tom blocked them first, what changed?

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@charlag That's a great question. I honestly don't know what happened to make him backpedal this hard.

Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm
Welp, unistalling and getting Tusky.
Nit going to support a dev who believes they have no impact and nazis are someone else problem.
Do your freaking part fedilab

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm question: should we also stop using Tusky because the maintainer refused to block freespeechextremist? (his reasoning for not blocking that was that it's an established fedi instance, not a new service coming onto fedi)

re: Fedilab, Nazi enabling 

@sandrockcstm fse folk are just as bad or even worse than gab folk
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