Florence feature idea: 

feature idea:

Federated Allow/Disallow Lists, to let a bunch of servers collaborate on what servers they want to talk with.

Mostly a "subscription" to a list, and then allow servers to make individual choices, but also "vacation mode" of blocking all incoming requests for a set period of time / or infinite) from trusted servers.

re: Florence feature idea: 

@maloki Nope. I don’t think this is a great idea - this is how marginalized people end up unintentionally blocked

re: Florence feature idea: 

@maloki I don’t think we should automate blocklists

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re: Florence feature idea: 

@brainblasted I do agree with you, I don't throw these ideas out as fully formed.

I know it can be abused, and cause issues.

Do you think there's an implementation of it which can help facilitate safety, but also not throwing marginalized people under the buss?

What if it's only for the allow list?

re: Florence feature idea: 

@brainblasted I only added the "disallow" as an after thought, I shouldn't ahve done that.

re: Florence feature idea: 

@maloki having it be for allow lists is definitely more reasonable

re: Florence feature idea: 

@brainblasted Good it's a start. I'd redraft, but I don't want to orphan these responses

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@maloki

At that point why not allow inversion of the federation model?

You allow posts from approved instances and block all the things by default.

As posts flow you can grow with who you federate and at some point flip back to the "allow by default" model.

@brainblasted

re: Florence feature idea: 

@Laurelai @kemonine @brainblasted A default allow server could be some type of onboarding server, either from an admin perspective, or an user + admin perspective, nto sure there yet.

It'd probably be better if new servers spoke with some type of established server.

Hmm. We'll figure it out.

re: Florence feature idea: 

@maloki

I think it wasn't overly clear that you were discussing allow lists.

If you go with an allow list + configurable option to invert the federation model (block by default instead of allow) that'll allow new deployments to default to "allow all" while also facilitating those who want to flip it to "default deny, subscribe to 'known non-toxic' instances" as they see fit.

If I were to redeploy one of my instances I would be willing to flip the default inversion model to "block by default" plus a subscription to an allow list that's tightly curated by people I feel I can trust. Worst case here I get a little extra in my timelines and even if it's nazis I can quickly and efficiently block the one that go through.

I would not be comfortable with a "default allow" + "curated block list". There is too much opportunity for good people to be silenced in this model.

Please note: i'm 100% against nazis and their ilk, however I feel people are better at reporting shits than noticing good people are suddenly quiet.

@brainblasted @Laurelai

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@kemonine Yeah no it wasn't, because i added "disallow" as an afterthought, and didn't proof-read properly

@Laurelai @brainblasted

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@maloki

No worries! I'm glad we have people putting a lens on all this stuff so we can hopefully find some good solutions that benefit all.

@brainblasted @Laurelai

re: Florence feature idea: 

@kemonine Ah I wasn't clear. With default allow, I meant 1 or 2 servers wo can help talk with new admins/users on small servers, before they start federating with more servers, I know the idea is flawed, because I can't finish the thought right now.

I really gotta head to bed, I'll read this in full again tomorrow and see what we can reuse.

@Laurelai @brainblasted

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@maloki

I have a feeling most things in computers will ultimately be flawed.

We have very rigid systems modeling human social interactions.

Human social interactions are notoriously non-rigid

I think if we can get damn close we'll have a winner as a bunch of humans

@brainblasted @Laurelai

re: Florence feature idea: 

@kemonine That's what we're talking about with allow lists though. @brainblasted

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