Mastodon does no longer spark joy. You’ve felt it, I’ve felt it.

Now it’s time to recognize what Mastodon has given us, but leave it behind. Mastodon has brought us a community and friends we did not have before. We’ve connected across worlds and fallen in love, we’ve experienced heart ache, and loss.

Today, we thank you Mastodon for everything we’ve had, and everything you’ve given. We will leave you here.

What I have found joy in has been the support and enthusiasm around when we kicked that off in June.

Unfortunately a few issues arose, and we got kind of stopped in our tracks. As you know by our icon, a lot of us were spoonies. Which meant when energies ran out, it was hard to continue.

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Now, We want to utilize all the good work we did, by rebooting the project. I’ve rescinded my rejection of managerial positions, and I’m getting my hands dirty, because you deserve it and honestly so do I.

By we, I am referring to @PaulFerence @[email protected] @Satsuma and myself.

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I still view us as an interim-group working to get this off the ground. So we started with the basics. Most of our decisions will be based on the discussions we’ve already held during the meetings and in between about what we want, the ones you’ve joined for.

So we’re starting with a name.

, as for us it represents the community, and the acronym was just too good to pass up. Florence Loves Open Responsible Ethical Networks for Communicating with Everyone.

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We are utilizing all the feedback from previous discussions to make decisions and move things along.

We will still fork Mastodon’s code, and we’re reaching a decision about the details around that in the end of this week.

We've prepared an org on GitHub, where the work will start.

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@maloki we advise users to adopt #Fiorenza to refer to the Italian city

@NicolasConstant worst thing is that I don't remember who came up with it first.

Is #Florence based on #GlitchSoc which kinda aims towards the same goal : a better, safer Mastodon, with more tools to offer a nicer and more respectful experience ? Also it's more of a community-driven development i guess. 😶

That fork could be a better base to build upon if i'm getting your goal right.

Good luck anyways 😃

@Oz we're still finalizing where to fork, and how to maintain / develop for that fork.

Hope to be able to update about it in a week. (our next meeting is on Sunday, but getting things down on paper takes a while sometimes).

@DarckCrystale we've already been talking. They were directly related to our work, as we ended up on ice.

@maloki That is AWESOME! If I may ask, what inspired this? Theoretically, how would this be different from Mastodon?

@maloki Hi! May I suggest that you use GitLab CE instead of githu8 to host the fork? GitLab CE is free (libre) software and can be freely installed, while githu8 is proprietary and centralized.

I hope things work out and it brings peace and harmony to the community!

@fr33domlover Hey, github is temporary. Just a first step. Just like Discord.

It's just to get somewhere to start.

Our aim is that all infrastructure will be open-sourced.

Why not gitlab? Remember github is now owned by Microsoft, and God knows what shit they've added to the terms of service.

@maloki @rick_777 @fr33domlover you don't have to host IR, is like github, just saying

@charlag, yes but setting up new accounts and stuff is still more spoons, than just setting up there first. In our case.

As I've said, we'll move of it, we have our eye set on something accessible for non-techies

@rick_777 @fr33domlover

@maloki @rick_777 @fr33domlover I heard you, I just wanted to say it for the future because people been mentioning only self-hosting. I totally understand that it's an effort if the team has accounts in another place already (even though you can login with silos & with gh there)

@rick_777 @maloki by the way I'm working on project hosting federation :) once I have working software and spec draft, I hope existing forges like GitLab and Gitea will join too.

By the way, githu8 was centralized and proprietary and promoting the foss-is-just-convenience-secondary-to-profit attitude long before M$ bought it.

@fr33domlover @rick_777 if you can't accept it when I say it's temporary and that it's spoon related, I will have to block you.

I've explained, either you accept it or any conversion between us end here. Very simple deal.

Pardon my ignorance, what does "spoon related" mean?

@maloki I'm in a better position to contribute than I was before, at least as far as kicking in a little funds for hosting and suchlike.

@bstacey cool! Thanks for letting me know!

When we fork(details on this soon, and get the repo up the goal is to set up an open collective immediately, and take funding that way.

I'll poke you about it when it's up?

@maloki if you need any assistance with the software tooling & project management stuff, my offer to help or advise still stands.

If you’ve already got that stuff covered, I look forward to seeing how Florence evolves in coming weeks and months 🙂

@bobstechsite More info soon™

But it wont be a one person effort in any regard. :)

@maloki curses, my cunning plan to take over the project and use it to achieve world domination has been foiled! 😜

@maloki will there be a list of stable Florence-running instances in the

@wolfensen oh this is an interesting question. I think we'll consider it.

Still putting together some teams to make these decisions.

@maloki oh no not a recursonym. I'll be reading this for eternity. Farewell.

@maloki Really excited about this project and your vision for it! I'm pulling for you! And who knows? Maybe I'll be able to contribute at some point in the future when I've got more dev experience under my belt.

@maloki Truth is, Mastodon does well spark joy, as it did before, for me, and many other users. Those (like you and some others), who subjectively feel it's no longer for them, are entitled to that opinion, but it does not represent 'us' in any wholesome way. I'd not speak of 'everyone' here.

Still, I wish you luck on wherever you may turn to next, or whatever it is that you decide to do different from now on, may you nevertheless remember your time here fondly.

Good luck and good bye then, I suppose...

@maecah I feel like you need to read the rest of the thread.

I'm not leaving the fediverse.

@maloki No, I know that... it was never implied. I
Still, I wish you the best whichever other activitypub platform/ecosystem and instance you choose :-)

@maloki having only recently joined a mastodon instance, i've not "felt it", and the announcement leaves me somewhat clueless in regard to what the aim of the project is. is there some writeup documenting what you want to change and why? also, will the fork be compatible to and able to federate with mastodon and the rest of the fediverse?

@zalandocalrissian on the latter questions yes, we will still be part of the fediverse. Anything else would be silly (imo).

If you want to read older related things to this you can look over hashtags like and

There's been quite a few writeups by other people about what the problem is.

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