The pre-project #ForkOffTogether tagline is:

Community Over Code

We, @Laurelai , @PaulFerence and I, will be using this to help describe and guide the current process.
It derived from Organization First - Code Later, we managed to write a few iterations and find a nice tagline to use for now.

So if you're wondering why there's no code-fork yet. That's why.

The shift in the community has already happened, and all of you who reached out are proof of that. #ForkOn

@maloki @Laurelai @PaulFerence Those three words say so much. Really well done.

@BobTarte Thank you <3
We actually have @noelle to thank for the actual wording there. Because I was like "I need to bounce this tag line off of someone to see what sticks"

@Laurelai @PaulFerence

@maloki @BobTarte @noelle @PaulFerence Just want to post that while nothing is set in stone yet its my hope that we can build an inclusive, diverse democratic management system that puts the vulnerable first

@Laurelai @BobTarte
Yes, this does seem like it's the current goal.

Obviously we can't force the group to do this, but I have a feeling that's the shared values we want to focus on (from what I've read in all the comments)

@PaulFerence

@maloki @Laurelai @PaulFerence It sure sounds good to me.

@maloki @Laurelai @PaulFerence I am so happy to be meeting such a diverse group of people that I would never run into on Twitter or Facebook, and I love the sense of community here. I thank all of you for the experience of getting to know you even slightly.

@BobTarte @maloki @Laurelai @PaulFerence what bob said!

@gekitsu @maloki @Laurelai @PaulFerence I hope it didn't sound too sappy!

@BobTarte Hey, youre in touch with your emotions. This is healthy.

Don't use that word <3

@maloki Will do. Won't do, I meant to say.

@BobTarte not from where i’m standing. we have too much snark and pretend-unaffected in the world anyway, and too little genuinely displayed emotion.

Woops, this update thread hasn't been tagged with #ForkOff

Well, Hey, We have updates. Feel free to read them!

After some people reached out I realized some stuff got lost, so to clear it up:
What I am currently doing with the help of @Laurelai and @PaulFerence will not make us the defacto leaders of whatever #ForkOffTogether turns into. All we are doing is trying to make something out of the survey for everyone who showed interest.

We are using a discord Conversation with only us 3.
We are trying to get it right, by taking community over code. I realize it doesn’t feel transparent at this time, but it’s difficult to talk about what we’re doing, when it will sound like we’re deciding what this will turn into.

Ironically, seemed like we were making all the decisions without transparency anyways.

What I can say is, we are trying to prepare a meeting, so we can lay the foundations together for what we want to happen, We the community who want to #ForkOffTogether.

Tomorrow another survey is going out, to help us make a very rough drafts of some documents that you all will get to give feedback on before that first meeting, and after.

It’s a long and slow process, and we’re basing it on Swedish Formalities when it comes to creating not-for-organisations, as that is what I have experience with. However, at the meeting the people who are there, or who have sent in feedback, get a say in what happens from there, what kind of organization you will build together, and what types of meetings you will hold.

All we are doing right now, is creating a suggested way, by showing you with one first meeting.

This is why there’s no website, no one-pager explaining what #ForkOffTogether is, because I don’t know yet, but primarily because it is not my place to say.

I have not made a discord server because it is not my decision.

I have not up and forked a code base, because it is not my decision

Additional info that had gotten lost:
The survey was written with help of the following people:
@sargoth
@Laurelai
@noiob
@noelle

And @PaulFerence , who was also the person who reached out to me asking if I was interested in forking.

That’s why I made the survey, because One person reached out, and showed that they would be interested in forking.

TL;DR #ForkOffTogether Update #3

@Laurelai , @PaulFerence and I, will not become the defacto leaders, we're putting measurements in place to avoid this.

We are only trying to use the survey to invite everyone to a meeting, to start up an organization of the meeting's choice.

Another survey, together with more information, is coming out tomorrow to help us rough draft one of the documents we will suggest at the meeting.

Everyone will get a vote.

@maloki @PaulFerence We dont even want to be the leaders of this

@Laurelai Yeah, but saying that doesn't really prove anything. It's just messy. People have expectations, they always think that people want all the power.
I guess we gotta wait until we can SHOW that we wont be in those roles. But yeh.

@PaulFerence

@maloki @Laurelai @PaulFerence I love this. Y'all are awesome. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@maloki @Laurelai @PaulFerence I think you have to make starting decisions in order to setup a situation/structure where people can make decisions together. That's why a non-hierarchy is a myth.

@luka Oh, I definitely agree. But we're trying to make it clear that any choices we make right now can be adjusted/changed/entirely removed, if that's what the group wants.

It's a tricky situation to be honest.

@maloki @luka Humans are adaptable and it only looks like hierarchy is inevitable to those socialized to them

@Laurelai @maloki

you are actually quite right. the fact is that socialization is hard to undo, or in other words, deeply ingrained ways of individual's functioning in society are really hard to change. that's why this change is hard and long process, and for each individual different, and most probably conscious in many ways.

anyway, I'm in full support of an inclusive, diverse, and transparent governance model that would continue the beauty of some community aspects on mastodon/fediverse.

@luka @Laurelai if you keep talking on this, can we CW it?

@maloki @Laurelai appologies, I'm using way to few CWs! need to learn. thanks for pointing it out!

@luka @maloki Take a look at this. Not only is it not human nature. When it happens it must be coerced. https://twitter.com/jayvanbavel/status/1006675624864505856

@Laurelai @maloki

wow, this is very revealing and also thought provoking. an important lesson in not taking things at their face value. thank you!

i have some experience with (one) building-squating situation where we dreamed about, and tryed working in, horizontal organising, but failed to account for already socialized needs of many to act in a hierarchy. so i asumed it's a strong force that is hard to transcend.

I guess it feels like we're already making decisions because of the "Community over code" tag line.

It isn't a decision, other than to guide us in the documents we are trying to draft for the first meeting. And why it's slow.

Please stay tuned for the update we are aiming to get out on the 10th, about the meeting we want to invite everyone to.

#ForkOffTogether #ForkOff

Hi Federated folx!

We are working on providing a rough CoC for the meeting that we want to invite you all too, and we want to take the opportunity to grab a lot more input, so your voices can be added before we write/present the ROUGH draft.

To this end we made another survey.

We're trying to find out what it is about other CoC's you like, and what you would like to see as part of #ForkOffTogether's CoC.

https://goo.gl/forms/1tE5W9LKkKCzwT412

Happy Writing!

Since it was hard for me to put into words what kind of meeting we're trying to invite to and host, I wrote this:

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DUwDW8U0NHd8q4AxAojTOJuG6VeOPXAjOzG0_0L0-DU/edit?usp%3Dsharing&sa=D&ust=1528551816643000&usg=AFQjCNEFA8X_5ipBASnSBCn8J32JICInzg

The invitations to this meeting will be sent out at least 14 days ahead of time. And we are also aiming to figure out what dates work best for people before that, so as many as possible can join.

#ForKOffTogether

@maloki I like the idea of a technology co-op. I think a good thing to compare structure to could be #NodeJS. They have gone through some growing pains in the last year as it relates to internal conflict and organizational woes. #AyoJs forked from Node for CoC and governance-adjacent reasons too. github.com/ayojs/ayo

I really like the direction you're going with governance, and the intentionality behind it. Great job putting this together. 👏🏼

@stephen Could you add something about this in the survey?

Like, I literally made the survey to have people put the links and their comments in there.

Thank you for your consideration ;)

@maloki Yes good thinking. Thanks for doing all this.

#ForkOffTogether update #4
TL;DR

A small survey about what makes a good CoC for you is now out!

https://goo.gl/forms/1tE5W9LKkKCzwT412

As well as info about what kind of meeting I want to invite everyone to:
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DUwDW8U0NHd8q4AxAojTOJuG6VeOPXAjOzG0_0L0-DU/edit?usp%3Dsharing&sa=D&ust=1528551816643000&usg=AFQjCNEFA8X_5ipBASnSBCn8J32JICInzg

@maloki I'm not sure I did it right (is 'I want to fill in another' for 'I have more responses' or 'Moar surveys later plz'? I took it as the latter and ended up with it wanting more pages...)

tl;dr though, FreeBSD's new CoC is absolutely an amazing starting point and if I'm the only one who suggests it, I'll be surprised.

https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html

@kithop I really don't want the links and stuff here, only want them in the survey.

If you filled in yes, you basically just continued in the same survey so we could collect up to 10 answers at once from your.

I had duplicated section 2 another 8 times, too make it 10.

I would love to boost the post with the CoC survey, but it isn't CW'D and I don't want to Discourse at people without one.

@Cobalt
This post is cw'd tho https://elekk.xyz/users/maloki/statuses/100175009423941188

@Cobalt yeah there's a whole thread, and always a TL;DR that's un-CWd but the rest of the posts should be CWd.

I hope that helps.